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Living about 1000km, a couple of lifetimes, and several cultures from where I grew up.

During The E Word at Channel 4

Dave HarrisThis is the second of three podcasts I’ve produced associated with The Policy Unplugged event at Channel 4 last week, The E Word. Fifty or so thinkers in education – without many of the usual Whitehall suspects gathered to talk about the state of education policy in the UK, to see where there was common ground and explore their differences. I was there as a host with special responsibility to help record the day and capture the essence of the conversations.

After introducing themselves to each other and discussing their passions about education, the guests gathered around subjects that had emerged in the discussion. I joined a table hosted by Victoria Marks to talk about Lifelong Learning. In this section you hear from Pat Kane, Tom Bewick, Dave Harris, Marion Seguret, Victoria and err… Lloyd Davis.

During The E Word (19:03 mins – 8.7MB)

Photos for the event are in this photoset

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“Before” The E Word at Channel 4

PolicyUnplugged 003This is the first of three podcasts I’ve produced associated with The Policy Unplugged event at Channel 4 last week, The E Word. Fifty or so thinkers in education – without many of the usual Whitehall suspects gathered to talk about the state of education policy in the UK, to see where there was common ground and explore their differences. I was there as a host with special responsibility to help record the day and capture the essence of the conversations.

First off, I spent some time mingling with the guests, finding out what they were expecting from the event.

Before The E Word (11:49 mins – 5.4MB)

Photos for the event are in this photoset

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Saira Khan meets London bloggers

saira khanAfter the e-word extravaganza (yeah, yeah stuff’s coming) I popped down to Fulham to meet up with Saira Khan who’s reporting on blogging for BBC Radio Five, but who British TV audiences will know as “that feisty, gobby woman with the megaphone who should have won” from The Apprentice. I’m so glad that when I wrote here about the show earlier in the year, I was nice about Saira and picked her (or James) to win. Note to people in the rest of the world – Saira was pipped to the post (as I also kind of predicted) by the dull but worthy Tim.

So anyway, we had a great chat – Geoff Jones was being interviewed as I approached the ‘crowd’ consisting of Suw Charman and two other guys who I’d seen before, but never got really introduced to, so I can’t tell you who they were with any certainty, though I think one hangs out here and the other is here but they could both be the same guy… or not. We were joined a little while later by Sal – everyone seemed to be Australian, but that’s not a bad thing.

[Update: Alan Connor was there too, doh! my brain! and he’s now kindly linked to this piece in one of his Weblog Watch pieces for the BBC News Magazine section – hello people from BBC-land]

Saira was delightful, excitable, very sweet and clearly easily drawn into the Perfect Path charm machine. She’s also just amazed that there’s this enormous subculture that she didn’t know existed until recently. We recorded a little interview (I believe it’s going to be part of the Julian Worricker Show and it’s called the 5 Live Report due to be broadcast at 10:00 BST on October 2nd – should be listenable across the globe through the BBC player for a week thereafter. I also got to meet the lovely Clare, who’s producing the show (and is a closet podcaster who’s about to jump out and reveal herself as such)

The bar we were in was visited by some wandering masseuses and you can read about my massage experience on Geoff’s blog including a picture of me being attended to by Melissa (oooooh) from urban chill (great massage, but ditch the Flash on your website, guys)

The E Word – Policy Unplugged

I’m at the Channel 4 HQ in Horseferry Road at a cafe style session on education policy. About 50 interesting and vociferous people have gathered to talk about Creativity, Innovation and Entrepreneurship, well at least that’s what Channel 4 wants them to talk about – we’ll see how that actually works out.

We’re just going into an Open Space session to pull out what people are really interested in.

As usual, pics and flicks later on.

Our Social World sampler

Rather than wait until I’ve got my act completely together to put something else together (a pattern is emerging here) here’s a (highly compressed) sampler of speakers from Our Social World, in speaking order: Ben Hammersley, Simon Phipps, Tom Coates, Johnnie Moore, Lee Bryant, Loic Le Meur, (lunch) Euan Semple, Suw Charman, Julian Bond, Simon Grice, Max Niederhofer, Colin Donald and Ross Mayfield [sadly the overrun meant that I’d gone before Hugh spoke]

Still, hope it conveys a flavour of the day.

If anyone featured would like higher quality clips of their bit, do give me a shout.

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Librivox – The Secret Agent by Joseph Conrad, Chapter 7

[UPDATE: after all the audio problems earlier it should be fine now]

Librivox is an experiment initiated by Hugh McGuire from Montreal to see whether a bunch of interested volunteers can create collaboratively some totally free audiobooks in the public domain. We are taking texts from Project Gutenberg (one of the first resources I ever fell in love with on the internet in about 1992), reading them in chunks and distributing the files as podcasts.

The first project has been The Secret Agent by Joseph Conrad and this is my contribution Chapter 7 (10.9MB, 30:52 mins) in which the Assistant Commissioner visits Sir Ethelred (a great personage of Parliament) to discuss progress on the investigation into a recent bombing in London, after which he takes a cab to Soho, planning to confront Verloc whom he strongly (and correctly) suspects of involvement in the anarchist outrage.

Plus ça change…

Note: unlike other material on this blog, which is released under a creative commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike licence, I am releasing this file into the public domain – you may do with it entirely as you wish.

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podcastconuk: Paul Nicholls

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Freedom of speech

There’s a lot to the legal side of podcasting than can I use the Blind Date theme tune. Legislation hasn’t caught up with what’s happening.

Is speech really free? You can say what you like until you tread on someone’s toes. We have a lot more than, say, China. We’re not allowed to say anything we want. It depends on where you say it and who you say it to.

Here in the UK, we are pretty liberal – you can’t take property or life belonging to another, they are policed by the state and we know we can’t do them. but civil actions are taken by the individual.

Defamation – two types – slander, the spoken word & libel, the ‘permanent’ form – in such a way as to ‘arouse feelings of pity’ Mere taunts (name-calling in the heat of the moment) are not enough.

What about podcasting? The law doesn’t move quickly with new technologies. Theatres Act 1968 – actionable if a theatrical production ridicules someone. Broadcasting Act 1990 applies to Radio and TV and treats defamation as a libel. Podcasting doesn’t fit yet.

There is no definitive answer, but if you defame somebody it would be actionable, but might take a lot more argument than in other media.

He’s had to deal with a defamation case already. Someone had talked to someone in a pub on a podcast and had interviewed someone else who referred to him as “that bloke who takes his clothes off down the arts centre”. Ended up not being defamation.

It’s not going to be a police matter, but individuals or corporations might sue.

Evidence needed – implying a criminal act punishable by imprisonment, implying sexual/contagious disease, imputation of sexual unchastity (for women), disparaging in office or profession (lowering their standing in the eyes of right-thinking people).

Innuendo – not just smutty eg Tolly vs JS Fry & Sons 1931. They used him in a chocolate ad which Tolly said prostituted his amateur status.

You can’t defame a class of people, I have to be able to draw an inference about an individual.

Defences – why do they go into such huge detail when reporting about people committing offences? It’s to avoid defaming other people who could be confused. If in trouble, take advice. Offers to make amends and limit damage, what you said might be justifiable or fair comment & in the public interest.

Don’t forget incitement or conspiracy (eg to corrupt public morals) So basically think before you open your gob and if you get a writ, take advice.

Q: jurisdiction? England & Wales applies to us. But it depends.

Q: Can you get legal aid for defamation. You are seen as guilty? Yes that’s right. That’s why we have no win, no fee. The burden of proof is on the other party.


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podcastcon uk: James Cridland

Podcasting & Commercial Radio
Head of New media strategy at Virgin Radio

wearing a firefox t-shirt so obviously one of us!

four stations in the brand portfolio: Virgin Radio, Xtreme, Groove, Classic Rock.

Thinks that ‘amateur’ is the wrong word for podcasting.

One station, one platform => one station many platforms.

Right now 26 differnet platforms, all sorts of internet ones plus cable tv & fm & am etc

Nothing new in portable audio distribution – 1958 transistor radio – the difference is that we can now get things that we want, when we want them. Virgin first to create a daily podcast in March.

Chop out the music, partly because of rights, but also because the personailities are what people want to hear (sounds like a lame excuse to me – do people really want this stuff?) but it’s still full of timechecks. 85,000 downloads a month?! who?

Announcing today for October ‘best of the guests’ and unsigned bands on Xtreme…and possibly Vic Reeves – Big Night in on Wednesday – going to wait and see how that one might turn out..

limited advertising within each podcast eg Special Constables, Orange, Mastercard and Expedia. Trying to be intelligent and place carefully and relevantly (still bloody advertising though).

Shows Top Subscribed Podcasts with Pete & Geoff at No 1 before they’d actually released one.

itunes effect – before itunes 2278 over three weeks, but with iTunes 3644 in one week.

Threats: Nokia 8310, a portable music device. 77% use it to listen to FM radio. Nokia 6610 83% listening. Says this isn’t a threat to them (yeah right). Live TV and DAB stations.

41% of 6300 Virgin website users had a portable media player of which 32% had an iPod and 68% had other types.

Plays out with Pete & Geoff on Mummy, am I ugly? as example of how to raise revenue through linking in to your website (and a way of taking the piss out of your audience)

Q: I don’t think you get it. It’s about control. Don’t think about it simply as distribution – it’s about control of what you get, when you want it but we’re all struggling to understand what it means.

Q: Matt Gibbs, any plans for charging for podcasts or is it all ad sales. We never have charged for anything. Issues – eg can’t get round iPod DRM. We’ll be interested when we can do it.

Q: any research on when people are actually hearing them? No. Isn’t that the most important thing for advertisers though? Nearly everyone in the room listens both on computer and on a portable music player. Everyone assumes that people only listen in mobile scenario.

Q: You’re in a great position to make the point on rights to the music industry. We’re waiting for DRM.

Q: Podlisteners are expecting something else. I don’t agree. People want to hear stuff that they’re familiar with.

podcastcon uk: Milverton Wallace

Image(191)Podcasts for Educational use

1 teacher and two university lecturers in the room. Mmmmmm..

Technologies challenge traditional ways of transmitting knowledge.

Last October, he’d just got into podcasting. A friend had a big contract with a south london borough for remedial education. The borough decided they had too many unemployed uneducated kids. So they got loads of hardware and software (even quarkexpress and adobe!) equipped a room with state of the art stuff. Big opening ceremony – everyone there. had a phone call saying kids didn’t turn up for the lectures in this hi-tech wonderland.

Looked again – it’s just another classroom – nice carpets & cool kit, but still a classroom and these kids are those who rebelled against classrooms. That model of encouraging people to learn doesn’t work for a significant minority of kids. Milverton said give ’em ipods so they can hang on the corners pretending to listen to music, but really listening to a maths lesson. Not taken seriously – now closed the facility. An illustration of how difficult it is to get established professionals to accept what’s new and experiment with stuff.

Took 5 years for department to take web-authoring seriously. The kids came and the rooms were full, because they saw the future, they’re smart, they know what’s coming. Now very few are even using blogs (x-warwick)

Getting in touch with community nurses – difficult to communicate with people who for some reason don’t want to turn on their phones. Aaaah podcasting. So much could be done with simple cheap technology in the NHS, but instead they pour money down the drain on ERP systems and the like.

Teaching children of refugees to speak English. Some kids aren’t so good at face to face learning. Podcasts great for re-inforcing. Big problem encouraging teachers to deal with children in the context of a culture that kids understand.

Delivering instructions to learners – it’s a one-way thing, so this is a bit of a barrier (or at least a weakness) You can’t have direct feedback and that needs to be dealt with.

What about people selling audio files of lectures? Nothing new. Same as when newspapers panicked about losing advertising revenue and just dumped same content onto the website. Didn’t excite anybody to just see a facsimile of newsprint. Important not to just reproduce in a different media – look at how to create something new and interesting out of it.

Podcasting the next big thing for training? A company saved 30% of training budget that was previously going on cd and dvd burning. But also the ability to encourage people to create their own space and feel included. Tagging as a form of knowledge management, allow people to create their own environment and subject area communities.

Large-scale experiment at Duke University – gave everyone an iPod (discounted from Apple) Review showed that it was used for recording lectures, but also sharing their own comments about lectures, students learn more from each other than from their lecturers! Learning also accelerated by creating their own learning environments, learning from each other, from their peers, using the technology for real purposes and learning much faster as a result.

Q: what’s your job? Journalism lecturer at City University for 10 years. Only has weblog. Ran Netmedia conference. Now creating a forum for people who innovate in digital media can move on and get financial support to build businesses, working with UCL. But also just a space to engage each other about innovation in the space and how we encourage it here.

Q: Any directories for this sort of content? No, but we’re working on it. (it will create itself, or the students will create it for themselves).

Q: Work with your local high-school

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