A sunny trip on the No 19 to Upper Street to meet with Jemima Gibbons of Interactive KnowHow (or however it is, or isn’t capitalised). We sat and chatted in Tinderbox, which has a weird retro-modern feel with natural (bright day in London in October)light at the back from skylights.

We chatted about workshops, conversation spaces, training and awayday styles, the difficulty of making money from ideas and the greying of copyright (interestingly after the Creative Commons session earlier) and intellectual property rights. We also strayed into nurturing personal creativity (for business types) and the future of broadcasting – the effect that lowering of barriers to entry might have. V pleasant.